Athens vs Sparta

Just as I have modelled my physique in accord with ancient ideals, I have gathered many of my political and philosophical views from that time. athensvssparta

This picture shows a very interesting contrast, the contrast between the two mighty city states of Athens and Sparta. Although they were similar in many regards they were at the same time fundamentally different.
Sparta was a militarized, authoritarian state ruled by two kings and a wealthy class of elite warriors, an economy driven by agriculture and slaves (the Helots) which they kept in check with their supreme military might.
Athens was a democracy where the free men of the city ruled, the economy was not solely dependant on anything in particular but the city’s wealth came from trade and its maritime dominance.
Whereas the individual free man in Athens could participate in public life the women were more or less confined to the home.
In Sparta women trained in the same style as the men and were famous throughout Greece for their beauty and health. The Spartans realised that a strong mother will bear strong children. Other Hellenic thinkers argued the case that the woman was a mere vessel for the seed of the man.
Even though the Athenian Hoplite class (citizens who could afford good arms and armour) trained incredibly hard, peak physical capacity was not required to prosper.
In Sparta a child who was born with a malfunction was thrown over a cliff. Ensuring that the child would not live in constant misery and also ensuring that the individual were not a burden to the society.
Even though the Spartans had an assembly and rhetoric and finely crafted arguments had a place in their state it was not at the level of Athenians, who laid the foundations to modern democracy and where the idea of free speech was upheld as something of great value.

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I do believe in democracy as a way to govern a nation. What we have today, however, is a mockery of the concept. To take two examples, we first and foremost have Sweden, where an aggressive media is telling you what to think (and vote). And then we have the US where there is two alternatives who are identical and where the representatives of the parties are owned by large corporations.
Athenian style democracy however is still to this day something to strive for, but only if accompanied by the Athenian virtue of free speech.
Moreover we can find great ideas from Sparta. First and foremost the view of women. In my own humble experience men who disdain woman are often men who in some way feel inferior. I look at it from the perspective of the tribe (or as in this case the city state) where both men and women are needed and equally important for the well being of the group. Furthermore I think the Spartans had a more natural, realistic and scientific view of human lives.
Outdated Christian values dictate that all human lives are equal and that all human life is to be cherished. This is an odd concept, first and foremost is takes away the drive to better yourself. After all, if we are all the same at the end of the day, what does it matter what I do during my life?
Secondly we have the question of overpopulation, and unfortunately this takes place at the expense at those who have no place in the Christian moral, namely the animals. Ask yourself this: If we have 7 billion people on this earth, but only so many tigers, pandas, gorillas etc, why is a human life more worth? It is not a matter of caring for the animals per se, but rather to realise that damage to the ecological system may have horrendous repercussions further down the chain.
Also, morally decadent Catholic priests oppose means of contraception, furthering the problem. Ironically simultaneously as molesting children.
Needless to say those ideas and people would get thrown off the cliff instantaneously in Sparta.
The Spartans realised that strength, individual strength just as collective strength was something to be upheld and treasured. Weakness was to be destroyed and feared. To turn the other cheek, yet again as of outdated Christian morality, would have been seen as an affront to the Gods.

8 Comments on “Athens vs Sparta

  1. I like to read your philsophic writings! Really interesting to get to know your point of view and I even learn a little bit of histoty so its great ๐Ÿ™‚

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  3. I disagree that democracy is a good political concept, it is a delusional concept based upon the thought that people have their own insights, but most people can only repeat what the current super-ego has implanted into the minds of the ”voters”.

    I would say this concept of proving your worth by be-coming a god, selection not by vote but through endurance and exposing your qualities, is a good system as is described in this video:


    Selection based upon qualities which of course is related to genetic potential; in contrast with our ”elections” with politicians selected by those who own the media through implanting patterns in the minds of the ”voters” about who should be elected, a media spectacle based upon word-play; and then we have our symbolic kings and queens who inherit their status in stead of unfolding their inherited genetic potentials and prove themselves worthy of such a status.

  4. I think part of the difference between Sparta nd Athens was due to the fact that the jonian Athenians were already mixed with the darker pelasgian tribes, so that they declined both morally and racially.on the other side, the dorian Spartans who came about 1200 bc -800 years later than the Ionians-
    were a more pure nordic tribe at the time of the conflict with Athens. Because of their better genetics, they werent as decadent as the Athenians. Athenian ” democracy” was the beginning of greek decline. The later steps-Hellenism , being flooded with Orientals, Judeo-Christendom of Byzanz, and finally Turkic Islam completed the process. Compare the beautiful statues of Praxiteles to todays Greeks. One look says more than thousand words.
    I adore the Spartan ethics. There was no need for multiculturalism nor for ” LGBTI rights”, because the male strength and asthetics kept every human aspect under strict military control. The Spartans wouldnt have allowed Turkeys EU bid, and they wouldnt have badmouthed Germanic Nordics. Unfortunately the Athenians helped destroy the nordic sea people , according to Platos Atlantis report.
    These Sea poeple were protogermanic people from Denmark,Sweden and Northern Germany who would have brought enough good genetics to save Greece forever from the protomuslim levantinic undermining. Its always the same- the short term egoism of corrupt tribal leaders prevailing over long term racial survival of nordic tribes. Nothing new under the sun!

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